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P: 4/25/2013 11:05:04 AM
SimonB

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Caveat does not mean will not happen, the fact that it held measured move decline only gives it better odds to 
continue higher, it does not make it a "shoe in".  Unless previous high is broken - the forecast is good. 



Simon B.

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P: 5/3/2013 8:51:55 AM
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I am afraid that Big Bertha did not work. The SP500 did new all time highs perforating April 12th highs. Nonetheless, markets are being manipulated to the extreme by the FED and ECB (printing money) and the BoJ as well. So these people (Bernanke, Draghi, etc) are altering the normal functioning and rhythm of the markets. Is this an excuse to justify the invalidity of B. Bertha as of this specific case? I don´t know; time will tell whether Bertha is valid or not under "normal circumstances" so to speak.

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Dear aja (love the Steely Dan album of the same name):

It is my understanding that Bertha does not predict price, only direction.  Perhaps, you are reading too much into it?

Max

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Date: 5/3/2013 10:53:56 AM
Author: Maximus:)
Dear aja (love the Steely Dan album of the same name):





It is my understanding that Bertha does not predict price, only direction.&nbsp; Perhaps, you are reading too much into it?









I am not sure, probably Earik can clarify it, but on the chart he sent us there is  a price prediction (see chart below).

Kind regards,

aja

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P: 5/3/2013 11:27:45 AM
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Maximus, Earik does say that Big Bertha only predicts direction not price. However in this case direction is wrong too, we already exceeded April Highs and are looking for some level higher. I do believe however we are very near a medium term top. 1626-1646 should be the level we reach before the top.




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P: 5/3/2013 11:28:35 AM
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Notice that in the Bradley siderograph for this year, 2013, there is a big plunge after Jun 22th. This plunge coincides with the sharp drop in the Wave59 chart. So I will be watching this date (Jun 22th) closely.

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P: 5/3/2013 12:11:06 PM
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Thanks guys!  Looks like lunar phase down from the June 12th to the 28th too.  I will definitely be looking to sell in that time frame and buying on July 26th/29th, which is also the start of a positive lunar cycle..

Max

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P: 5/3/2013 12:59:21 PM
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bradley points out turning points not direction or price. A lot of times bradley dates failed to catch important areas others it did catch. its a toss at this point whether itll give us anything or not this time around.



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P: 5/3/2013 1:12:35 PM
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Date: 5/3/2013 12:59:21 PM
Author: Great trades
bradley points out turning points not direction or price. A lot of times bradley dates failed to catch important areas others it did catch. its a toss at this point whether itll give us anything or not this time around.






"its a toss at this point whether itll give us anything or not this time around". Well that is your opinion. Depending on the year, the correlation of Bradley´s points can be very high. Bradley is used by many future traders as a main reference (now it came to my mind  MrTopstep, Dan Riley, but there are many others). Do you have any other option that is better? If you do, please say it. To contribute with the least probable option is always better than to criticize other´s contributions.

Regards,


aja





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i am not critisizing anyone.

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 "normal" does not exist anymore...which is why I no longer place much weight on forecasting tools....

  too many cooks in the kitchen..........

dctommy

"you can never predict the future, but you can know when it's arrived"

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P: 5/3/2013 9:53:27 PM
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Hi again everyone,

Actually what we are seeing in Markets as of late did happen before on quite a few occasions, if this advance seems
"one of a kind" take a look at SP or DOW chart in the Spring of 2006.  But every parabolic advance ends the same way,
it is the timing that drives folks crazy.  

When I was speaking in London I asked everyone a question - does anyone have effective method for timing CIT's during
strong and prolonged advances ?  As you guessed by now - everyone remained silent, and I saw disappointment in some
faces when I said " neither do I ".  The truth is that timing the end of strong and long bullish campaign is the most difficult
type of forecasting in my opinion, probably because bottoms happen fast, and tops take " forever ", 
It is in our nature to want to see prices move higher, and it is certainly a wish of all money managers.  What I have learned
to do over the years is to keep buying pullbacks which hold important levels regardless of how high the Market has come,
it is a difficult thing to do initially, but that's what it takes to make money in Markets like this, and since pro's know that this
is very hard thing for novice trader to do - they love these times and take advantage of them.  


Simon B.

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P: 5/4/2013 2:05:48 PM
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"and since pro's know that this is very hard thing for novice trader to do - they love these times and take advantage of them." I do not think that this is a matter of pros taking advantage of novices. Most pros trade in a daily bases  and they trade what they see on the screen. They don´t guess and they don´t care about what novice traders do. On the other hand, novice traders usually make guesses based on price action eg: "it went up too much and now it has to correct"  is a typical mistake, specially when the market could be forming a bubble as of now.

Bubbles are one of the most curious phenomena. Many economists have tried to find an explanation for the formation of bubbles.

This is just one of the theories for the formation of bubbles. There are different types of bubbles. What we are seeing now in the markets is the direct intervention of the State in the markets. Bernanke is actually FORCING this bubble by directing the capital flows into the stock markets. With ultralow interest rates and record highs in bonds, savers and investors´ only option is to buy stocks. Bernanke cannot print money and maintain ultralow interest rates forever. The day Bernanke stops his program, we may see a major sell off in the markets. It´s not about Big Bertha now, it´s about Big Bernanke.

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P: 5/4/2013 8:09:40 PM
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Hi aja,

Bernanke story is the most talked about and excepted by most for sure, and as most believes of that sort, once dust settles,
will turn out to be false, what is obvious to general public usually turns out to be false - just nature of things.

In ES trading, especially short term, if not for "fresh" money entering the game on daily basis pros would left to trading
with each other, and then no one would make any money.  Bottom line is that it is all about liquidity, it doesn't matter if it's
Bernanke story or Obama one, liquidity is the only thing necessary for Markets to go up, and lack of it for them to go down.
The real answer to the question " why AAPL stoped at 706" ? is that the last guy who was willing to pay that price already did.

If you do not see how, for the lack of truer term, "cattle" is cornered and "slaughtered" every single day - stay away from day trading ES. 
The truth is - it doesn't matter if what I believe is right or wrong, it only matters, in the Markets, whether I have enough
money to make my believe count.  

So from theoretical stand point charts and opinions are great, to make money trading - the less of these enter one's mind during
trading day the better.

I got away from fundamentals years ago after realizing that if Greenspan and biggest money managers around can get it wrong now and then,
what chance do I have to make sense  of what is moving Markets especially long term, when folks smarter than me with unlimited resources can not. 

Don't underestimate importance of novice traders to overall health of Markets, they provide, until they become pros themselves anyway,
much needed "easy money" for everyone else, and as harsh as it sounds - that is just nature of things.  If you trade at all actively you will
know that most of the time Markets will do exactly opposite of what most people believe, once you will come up with correct answer for
yourself "why" - everything will take on a new meaning.

Good trading,  



Simon B.

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P: 5/4/2013 8:32:06 PM
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As an overall observation to the SPY (trading days), try starting on about July 13, 2009 with a fib count, bar 987 arrives on about May 7,2013 -is the breakout real? Good luck to everyone.

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P: 5/5/2013 11:13:35 AM
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 +1 SimonB

Best - Baha

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P: 5/5/2013 6:39:14 PM
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Hi Baha,

Sorry if I came across a little harsh, but I was a part of the "donating" group for years, and God knows gave more than my
fair share, so only trying to help.


Simon B.

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P: 5/6/2013 7:14:06 AM
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Hi Simon,

No worries. I have given away my fair share.
I really appreciate the things you say.

Best - Baha

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P: 5/8/2013 8:04:55 AM
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to those who use big bertha:

Has this forecasting mishap been discussed in the private forum?
is this an inversion?
though big bertha is not supposed to do that, right?

Can anyone comment on this?

Best - Baha

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P: 5/8/2013 12:02:32 PM
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Hi Baha,

This forecast is based on BB, but is an extraneous technique that came out of the London conference. There's nothing in the book about how to do this, and it's just a cool side effect of the underlying theory. The problem is that I got excited about the forecast and wanted to share, and made the mistake of putting dates on that chart, which then lead people to believe that if the market didn't turn exactly to the day, that meant that the forecast was incorrect, or inverted, or that Bertha doesn't work, etc, etc. This forecast is based on averages, and is looking at big picture. 

To understand how to use it, take a look at this chart:


The red line is the forecast plotted on top of the Dow, for the last 15 years or so. This is a weekly chart. Keep in mind that this is *not* a price forecast, it's a directional forecast only. It says whether to expect the trend to be up or down. The thick white trendlines represent the last three major drops as called by the forecast. Drop 1 and 3 were nice declines, and drop 2 turned out to be a flat period rather than a decline. That happens when the larger trend is up. You'll see the same sort of thing when intraday markets try to go down while the daily trend is up - the smaller time frame just turns into chop. Nonetheless, even with drop 2, you can see that the forecast did a pretty good job of timing the trend. Not perfect, but not bad either. The bar counts at the highs and lows tell you how far off the forecast was from the market, in weeks. If you look at the last drop (the 2008 crash), you can see that the forecast was 32 weeks late on the top, and 19 weeks late on the bottom. I'd still say that call was accurate, it's just that you had to trade it and not take it blindly. When the market goes into a down trend around the time the forecast says to look for a big drop, that's when you go short, not before. This would have been once the Dow started taking out important lows, which was late 2007 before things got really interesting. In my book, this is a successful call. For those that don't agree, or expect a long term forecast to be accurate to the day, I'd suggest getting away from forecasts altogether, as that sort of accuracy has never been attained by anyone, and never will.

Now take a look at the aqua lines, which is the current forecasted drop. What is happening here is that there is tremendous upward pressure from either a really long term cycle that this forecast doesn't consider, or, for the more conspiracy-minded traders, from some sort of manipulation. In either case, you can see that the ebb and flow matches what the forecast expects, with the difference being that the upward pushes are much larger than expected, which results in an upward trend. From the perspective of the very last call (the tax-day top), we can't really say that it is a mishap yet. We're right on it now (point C), and would be looking for a drop into the low point of the year from the perspective of the forecast. I'm interested to see what happens there, because at that point (point D), the upward pressure that we are experiencing now will be in alignment with the natural cycles of the market, which you'd expect to act like throwing gasoline on the fire in terms of volatility. 

Anyway, when making trading decisions based on this, or any other forecast, you can't just blindly be buying and selling. You have to judge the trend of the market, and go with the flow. In the simplest terms, the book-method Bertha approach identifies the trend, then identifies the lowest-risk opportunities within that structure to actually take a trade. With this particular market, Bertha traders have been long since 2009, and would remain long until market structure told them otherwise. The purpose of this forecast is to act as an early warning system for changes in trend, but you can't actually do anything about that until the market tells you. If you are following this forecast, but don't know how to implement the actual Bertha techniques, then what you need is some trend-following tools that you can use to confirm the turns and actually trigger you into a trade. What you don't want to do is go short on a forecasted top, watch the market move against you, and hope and pray that it turns around before you're blown. That's bad. Don't do that. Rather, watch the trend, pay attention to important support and resistance levels, and in particular pay attention to which levels are holding and which are getting taken out. Then, when you see that within the context of a forecasted top or bottom, that's the point where actual trading occurs.

Hope that helps. 

Regards,

Earik


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